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Object relations and closet narcissists

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Posted by Whadoo Ino ( on September 15, 2003 at 23:34:29:

In Reply to: Jan: Non-Classical Narcissisim posted by Rich ( on September 15, 2003 at 18:02:20:

I offer no argument neither pro nor con except to say that if one
considers Object Relationships as a plausible construct, narcissists
are individuals stymied at an important stage of self concept/ego-development. Some sort between Borderline and narcissist. Others
include the closet narcissist who appears overtly as a borderline personality, or, perhaps, as a "submerged" personality. In Object-
Relations the citical distinction is made by challenging defenses.
Borderlines collapse, Narcissists defend; only interpretation
evokes diagnostically interpretative information. I suspect that even
experienced and very competent Psycho-analysts find disagreement about
the nuances of individual cases. Covert and closet may refer to the
same, or to different aspects of DSM diagnostics; I cannot contribute to
that aspect of the topic. Basically, I believe that even very experienced and competent "experts" have difficulty "nailing down" a diagnosis for
variants of narcissism. The E-8 is more narcisstic in DSM terms; the
E-7 is hedonistically self absorbed, aand the E-3 is self image absorbed.
Colloquially, all three E-types are nraccistic; only the E-8 (IMO) fits
the DSM descpriptors. Perhaps the E/I distinction plays a role in overt and
covert/closet; O-R does not make such a distiction (according to my limited

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