Posted by Rich (184.108.40.206) on September 18, 2003 at 01:43:51:
In Reply to: Cherry 2000 (1988) - demystifying type 4w5 posted by Jan den Breejen (220.127.116.11) on September 18, 2003 at 01:06:59:
> The we have the male protagonist, which Tom Condon describes as type 4w5. Obviously this character matches Oldham's Serious Style and Millon's Depressive Personality. Its all about nostalgia en melancholia, a profound sense of hopelessness but still plodding on (to get a new robot body), a sense of defectiveness, disappointment, depression, morbidity, pain and loss, being reserved/withdrawn, introjection (defense mechanism).
> Freud already described the core of Depressive Personality in 1917/1925; ' Mourning and Melancholia' .
> Why I don't like ' the ' enneagram is that different writers attribute different things to the types, with Riso the 4w5 type is mainly shy Sensitive Style and now with Condon its mainly Serious Style. Confusing!
As someone who has both the Serious & Sensitive styles, and even has them linked-Millon's Self-Deserting Avoidant Personality, with its depressive elements, its easy to tell. You have matched the Sensitive Style, as correlating best with Riso's 4W5. I believe that you are correct.... If the Sensitive person is able to cope & hold their demons at bay, then why would they be depressed? I believe that the confusion comes between mistaking Axis I clinical depression, for the depressive personality! You mentioned the 7W6 yesterday. If we find a clinically depressed one, that doesn't mean that they have a disoredered Serious Style.... Rich
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