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Posted by Rich (172.163.47.228) on September 18, 2003 at 01:43:51:

In Reply to: Cherry 2000 (1988) - demystifying type 4w5 posted by Jan den Breejen (145.53.141.105) on September 18, 2003 at 01:06:59:

> The we have the male protagonist, which Tom Condon describes as type 4w5. Obviously this character matches Oldham's Serious Style and Millon's Depressive Personality. Its all about nostalgia en melancholia, a profound sense of hopelessness but still plodding on (to get a new robot body), a sense of defectiveness, disappointment, depression, morbidity, pain and loss, being reserved/withdrawn, introjection (defense mechanism).

> Freud already described the core of Depressive Personality in 1917/1925; ' Mourning and Melancholia' .

> Why I don't like ' the ' enneagram is that different writers attribute different things to the types, with Riso the 4w5 type is mainly shy Sensitive Style and now with Condon its mainly Serious Style. Confusing!

> JDB

Hello Jan:
As someone who has both the Serious & Sensitive styles, and even has them linked-Millon's Self-Deserting Avoidant Personality, with its depressive elements, its easy to tell. You have matched the Sensitive Style, as correlating best with Riso's 4W5. I believe that you are correct.... If the Sensitive person is able to cope & hold their demons at bay, then why would they be depressed? I believe that the confusion comes between mistaking Axis I clinical depression, for the depressive personality! You mentioned the 7W6 yesterday. If we find a clinically depressed one, that doesn't mean that they have a disoredered Serious Style.... Rich


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