Posted by Primer Gray (18.104.22.168) on February 12, 2003 at 15:36:50:
In Reply to: Do you understand how I think now? posted by Flower Pagan (22.214.171.124) on February 12, 2003 at 14:37:00:
> > Look at it like this, KB is a train on a set track...nobody can make him deviate from that course. You know what he's about, you know his game, and you become upset that he doesn't change.
> FP: I have to admit, I was a little upset with him when I wrote the two posts because that is how I am when I watch CNN, Nightline, World News, Dateline, 20/20, 48 hours, local news, etc..., and I keep hearing about the war and the obstacles we faced and the mistakes Americans have made in the past that has influenced this chaotic mess that we face today. I get more irritated with people, including K.B.'s, stupid pettiness of contributing more negative chaos into our world and adding more problem that is so UNNECCESSARY at a time like this!
Adding a problem? You give too much credit here. Do you see there being some sort of Rube Goldberg device of chaos that is set off by a big bucket filled with all the negative energy in the world reaching a certain level? I can't agree that stuff like this has anything to do with any sort of reality, or real problems, or anything to do with some mystical influencing of world affairs.
> FP: Picture this, if you were in a car with four friends and ended up in a rack and one of them got hurt, so two of you are trying to help the hurt friend and hope to get help in time before the friend dies, but one of your friends is complaining how his shirt got torn and has a spot on his new pair of white socks while one of you is on the verge of death. Well, I see K.B. as that friend who is complaining about petty crap while people's lives are being threaten with death and destruction all over the world, which includes millions of innocent children. I hope you can understand my irritation with him. I have no patience for his childish petty foolishness right now.
Well, I'd ignore the whiny friend...stuff like that is just white noise. How is explaining to him how he's not helping and is being childish actually Going To Help?
> It's simple, if he bugs you, ignore him. Sure, being ignored is what set him off in the first place...but, what's the point of reasoning?
> FP: I have ignored him for over a week (Feb. 3rd was the last post until yesterday Feb. 11) because he is a boring waste of time. I thought he wrote a sincere post, so I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and tried to relate to him like a human being, which he is. Well, I am going to return to ignoring him again. I have actually stopped reading most his posts because they got too boring from lacking any substance or depth. His petty selfishness is too much for me to deal with as I see our world is facing major chaos and people are scared. This tension between the US and Iraq is causing a lot of tension all over the world.
Exactly, all the more reason to be pragmatic in approaching this.
> FP: Does he realize the consequences of his behavior? Does he know how to take responsibility for his own actions of why people ignores him? I just wanted to do the right thing and help him to understand why he was being ignored. I am the type of person who have asked a child, does he understand why his step-father have given him a whipping. He says no, he did not understand. When I explained it to him, he understood and had more peace in his heart and was able to know what behavior to change. I don't assume people can read minds and always know why things happened to them, I like to make sure they understand if possible. I think I have done my part by communicating to him with genuine honesty.
No. Yes. You did your part...continually telling him the same thing is pointless.
> KB is KB, his flames can only burn if they're acknowledged.
> FP: His flames doesn't burn me. He just look like one of those brats that act out to get attention. If he burns me, I would have turned to ashes after one week of working with children in the past. People who act out like he does is crying out for help or attention or love, whatever the case maybe. I think he is crying out for reformation. ha, ha, ha.
Well, he is a brat...there will be no negotiations with brats.
> Why on earth are people trying to rescue/rehabilitate him?
> FP: Well, I have began to understand more things about me and have learned to face the truth and tried not to repress it from my awareness because of it's undesirability. Well, let's first acknowledge that each enneatype has their tendencies, please. I have a ONE wing. If I can change it or get rid of it, I would, I would, really! Can you understand that I can see his need for reformation or improvement, which will be more rewarding in the long run and will be able to make fulfilling friendships.
I can understand that you see the need for reformation...and I can see that he sees it and uses it to drive people like you crazy...as a five, I'm just telling you your efforts will be more fruitful elsewhere.
> If he want to change, he will...otherwise, blow it off, you're just stressing yourself out for his amusement.
> FP: I agree with you that he will change if he wants to, but I just wanted to give him a little encouragement. I am sorry. I thought I was trying to do the right thing. Perhaps, reformation will make him a more peaceful and resolute individual who has more self-worth and self-esteem, like P tried to tell him before that he need to have some dignity for himself.
Nah, sometimes you just gotta say "fuck 'em". Write that one off, it's a loss.
> Why do you care about his redemption? You'll be happier if you stop caring about him and focus on issues that might matter...or just caring about other people that aren't just messing with you.
> FP: I am aware of his existance and his need to grow as a human being. I recognize the importance of growth, especially for me because if I don't grow, I would go through life being a stolid zombie and wake up one day with deep regrets. Riso made me realized that. It is nice to have close friends and a great boyfriend that cares about me, as reminders for great reasons to be alert to the present and to allow life to touch me. I guess, you can say, I am sometimes a detached and warm humanitarian. ha, ha, ha.
He's responsible for himself...you can't make anyone grow. No percentage in that. I'm aware of the needs of personal growth on his part too...I just don't care if he actually does it.
> FP: I would be happier if we have world peace and the ethical standards are raised higher in all leaders of each Nation without repressing and oppressing the people who dwell in the lands. I would be happier if Bush would stop embarrassing us by causing Nelson Mandala to rebuke us. Well, for now, I will be happier to return back to the science Museum and buy me some stones/rocks and a book to go with it. If you want to see it, click on the link below.
While I've agreed on a lot of things Mandela has said, and respect him highly, I really do NOT believe that the US is pressuring a substantive statement from the UN just because the leader is black.
I think the allegation is insulting, the rebuke is insulting because I see it as incorrect.
> Primer Gray,
> FP: I hope, you have gained a better understanding of who I am in abstract sort of way. I am sorry for mistaken this immature individual to be someone who could be reasoned with, unfortunately. I guess, I can be too much of an idealistic dreamer, though I don't have the money to Disney World, like Walt Disney and Neverland, Micheal Jackson. ha, ha, ha.
You apologize too much, but other than that you're ok. :) I'm sure you've gained a bit of understanding of me from this exchange as well. Until later...vaya con queso.
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