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Do 4s internalize other people's pain?

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Posted by old friend ( on May 22, 2003 at 22:50:48:

I'm becoming aware that at times there is pain so deep and wrenching that it can't just be inside me or of my own being/making/situation...it has to include the pain other people are feeling. So it exponentiates. Interesting.

My questions:

Have any of you come to recognize this within your struggles or pain at times?

And how do you turn your experience into something healing for others as well as for yourself?

And, how do you determine what (including the amount) is your own pain and what is it that is being filtered or channeled through you?

And, on a more literary note, was Rumi a 4?

"Confused and distraught "

Again I am raging, I am in such a state by your soul that every
bond you bind, I break, by your soul.
I am like heaven, like the moon, like a candle by your glow; I am all
reason, all love, all soul, by your soul.
My joy is of your doing, my hangover of your thorn; whatever
side you turn your face, I turn mine, by your soul.
I spoke in error; it is not surprising to speak in error in this
state, for this moment I cannot tell cup from wine, by your soul.
I am that madman in bonds who binds the "divs"; I, the madman,
am a Solomon with the "divs", by your soul.
Whatever form other than love raises up its head from my
heart, forthwith I drive it out of the court of my heart, by your soul.
Come, you who have departed, for the thing that departs
comes back; neither you are that, by my soul, nor I am that, by your soul.
Disbeliever, do not conceal disbelief in your soul, for I will recite
the secret of your destiny, by your soul.
Out of love of Sham-e Tabrizi, through wakefulness or
nightrising, like a spinning mote I am distraught, by your soul.

"Mystical Poems of Rumi 2" A. J. Arberry
The University of Chicago Press, 1991

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