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Re: No such thing as Type Four ISFJ

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Posted by Kitty ( on August 27, 2003 at 00:50:57:

In Reply to: Re: No such thing as Type Four ISFJ posted by Dee ( on August 26, 2003 at 17:08:47:

> > > > Their is no such thing as a Type Four ISFJ. You are either a Two or a Six.

> > >
> > > here it is...
> > > Type 4 - 13.3
> > > Type 6 - 12.7
> > > Type 2 - 11.7
> > > Type 7 - 10.7
> > > Type 9 - 10.3
> > > Type 3 - 9.3
> > > Type 5 - 7.3

> > > Wing 4w3 - 18
> > > Wing 6w7 - 18
> > > Wing 7w6 - 17
> > > Wing 4w5 - 16.9

> >
> > > Wing 2w3 - 16.4
> > > Wing 6w5 - 16.3
> > > Wing 3w4 - 16
> > > Wing 3w2 - 15.2
> > > Wing 5w4 - 13.9
> > > Wing 5w6 - 13.6
> > > Wing 7w8 - 12.3
> > > Wing 2w1 - 12.2
> > > Wing 9w8 - 12
> > > Wing 9w1 - 10.8

> > >
> > > Dee

> >
> > MOST 4's are INFJ. Richard Riso points out that your highest score may be NOT be your true type and that YOUR SECOND AND THIRD SCORES MAY MORE CLOSELY MATCH YOUR TRUE TYPE. It was suggested that you are likely a 2 or a 6 based on your MBTI type. Note that your second and third E scores are 6 and 2.

> Thanks Meow,
> Very interesting...
> I will do the MBTI again and see what comes up. I find though that I can identify most with Type 4. When I read the description of ISFJ, there isn't anything in the description that I don't agree with. hmmm.. I might buy a book on this as well. Jan said that it is possible however.
> Anyway, have you read The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle?
> I just bought it. I'm not a big reader but was recommended this book today and look forward to it's insight.

> Dee

Hi Dee -

I must confess Kitty is my user name - Anyway, my name is Cindy and I live in INDIANA (woo woo!) With regard to your ISFJ/Type 4 quandry, are sure you are 'S' and not 'N'?? That one little letter could explain a lot. You could read up on INFJ before going to the expense of re-taking the MBTI just to see if any of it fits. I do think Enneagram type description is more accurate. And with addtional consideration of wings, arrows, and levels of development, it is certainly more complex and encompassing.

How do you identify with the descriptions of type2 and type6 as compared to type4? -- Especially with regard to the basic fear and key motivations of those types? I have found my most profound feelings and needs coming back time after time to reveal core issues of shame. I clearly get 'bent out of shape' when I feel ignored, unseen, invalidated and misunderstood. This is CLASSIC FOUR STUFF! (I am 4w3 BTW) I also score very high on 1 (only 2 points off 4) possessing a need to be right as well as perfectionistic qualities. (Funny story: I was actually on 'Dr. Phil' last Christmas for my perfectionism. He referred to me as "Martha Stewart on steriods" for the 'Martha way' I approach my decorating, baking,wrapping, entertaining etc!:)) It was great!

Anyway, back to type -- My daughter thought I was a one (she got to take the Enneagram in her high school RELATIONSHIPS class. Times have changed huh?) But when I read the descriptions of the types, PARTICULARLY RISO'S LEVELS OF DEVELOPMENT, there was no doubt. I knew right away. Many people report this kind of 'gut' reaction -- SCARY STUFF. Interestingly,its my husband who is the 1!

Another thought, are either of your parents - or former caretakers - ISFJ, type2, or type6? I.E.: you COULD be identifying with one of them -and thus relating to the ISFJ descriptions, while actually being a four. One noteworthy item re_ these 2 types though, is their different CHILDHOOD ORIENTATIONS. 2s had a disconnected relationship to the protective parent - usually the father; while 6s had a connected relationship to the same parent. FOURS HAD A DISCONNECTED RELATIONSHIP TO BOTH PARENTS. That's why we turn/ed inward to our emotions to tell us who we were/are. Lack of proper mirroring still haunts us today, leaving us self-absorbed, moody, and depressed. The up side of being so identified with our feelings is that we are also sensitive, empathic, intuitive, and creative.

I knew I had to respond to you again when you asked about "The Power Of Now." YES! I got this book last spring - it literally jumped off the shelf at me. Somehow, I was just irresistably drawn to it -- can't explain it. It's profound and beautiful isn't it? Not exactly the kind of book you can read quickly though. I ponder it. I sometimes struggle to understand it, wishing I could just snap my fingers and DO what it says...Correction: BE what it teaches! My hunch is that if you are reading this book and are able to 'get it' you are probably not ISFJ. The reason is that I don't know a single 'S' who would be into this book. Its too complex and requires more depth than that type typically has the capacity for. My type2 ESFJ friend goes cross-eyed at this kind of material, but my type2 INFJ therapist can readily grasp it.

Well, I hope some of this may help you put your quandry to rest. One last tidbit I've gathered studying the Enneagram as it relates to MBTI type is that while type4's are almost always INFJ, not all INFJs are 4's. Some are 1's. My therapist is a 2. So, they don't correspond as neatly as I originally thought they did. For example, my dad (ISTJ) is an E 9w1. So is my daughter's boyfriend. But he is ISFP. Many INFPs are also 9. That almost totally opposite MBTI types (ISTJ and INFP) can both be the same E type can be confusing. It seems more simple to go with one typology or the other (now I'm going cross-eyed!)


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